is there ever anything that implies women have to take vows, rather than men? while thedas is far from a matriarchy, the chantry hierarchy is matriarichal in basis (it reminds me of cultures that…
Sure, I get that argument, but if that’s the real reason then the Templars NOT being celibate is the part that doesn’t make sense. We know for a fact that Templars can accumulate a great deal of power (Meredith as de facto dictator) and that noble children are sent to them to get them out of the way (Alistair, Alfstanna’s brother). Lyrium might keep them leashed but it wouldn’t stop their children from kicking up trouble.
That’s true, and maybe ultimately it all comes down to headcanons to patch over the extremely wonky/spotty world building. I guess when I start thinking about it too hard it becomes so internally inconsistent that I can’t take hardly any piece of canon as inviolate or sure. Here’s the best I can do: Templars were originally a separate non-religious order, their hierarchy is separate, maybe their wealth is too? Maybe they don’t have kids often enough for it to be an issue because lyrium causes sterility? Maybe there is strong structural pressure for kids of Templars to be raised by the Chantry?
I appreciate other people thinking about the meta because I get bored and frustrated when all my arguments circle back to ”Man, if Templars are supposed to be bound by Chantry law, with the Divine in charge, and lyrium and the Seekers are for keeping them under control, you are all profoundly terrible at your jobs, because Kirkwall, and I can’t even take you seriously. Chantry, you’re drunk. Go home.”
Haha. No kidding. Isn’t it Leliana’s entire job to quietly assassinate people like Meredith? A lot of heartache could have been avoided if she took Meredith instead of trying to evacuate Elthina.
Maybe their concern was a TEMPLAR revolt if they acted too openly against Meredith. The woman was running a major city-state. She would have had plenty of resources to strike out at the Chanty if an assassination attempt against her failed, and it’s likely that many of the other Knight-Commanders (the one who later went Red Templar) would have sided with her. Lyrium is only an effective leash when you don’t have an army of warrior addicts deciding that they’ll make their own deals with Orzammar, thanks very much. The Seekers wouldn’t have the numbers to stop them.
The Circle system was really pretty fucked up on both sides. Honestly, the Chantry leadership should have realized that something was going to give eventually. It’s a shame that it ended with a Mage-Templar war instead of both Mages AND Templars saying to hell with this shit.
(I have long thought that a partial solution to the Templar abuse problem would be to raise the babby mages and babby orphan templars together, since they’re sort of necessary to each other… but now I’m getting off-topic.)
The Divine tried to solve these issues behind closed doors. From what we saw in Kirkwall the Divine would rather quietly put away the Mage-Templar war than declare an officialposition intead of stringing both parties along. Then there was the issue with the White Spire Circle. Again the Divine and the Empress worked around the respective leadership to twist the situation to their favor.
This is the core issue with most of Orlais, though. Everything happens in secret, for the Game. Everyone’s a player and thus everyone suffers for it. I can’t help but think that if a few important figures stood against this back room dealing that many of the current problems would either:
a) Never have occured in the first place or
b) have alread been solved
How much better would it have been if the nobles weren’t conspiring against the people trying to solve the problems? Kirkwall was always in the hands of the Templars, that should have been resolved long before Meredith got ahold of the Lyrium.